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Micropayments = Microincome

Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 12:21 PM

Mystery Bundle T-Shirt Three-Pack So it's been a full week since we began our micropayments experiment. This was not a proper experiment. I was a neurobiology major in college; I've been well-versed in experimental procedure. A proper experiment has things like a testable, disprovable hypothesis, control groups, impenetrable multisyllabic science terms and the like. This experiment had none of those things.

A proper experiment also has dispassionate scientists conducting it, people who are able to disconnect their personal feelings from the subject matter in the pursuit of unvarnished truth. This experiment had two drunk guys giggling like preschool girls.

Many people have already commented about the validity of our experiment (or lack thereof) in the comments areas of shady blogs out there on the internet. They say that since we offered the paper version of the minicomic at a discount to purchasers of the electronic version, that the results would be skewed in favor of BitPass, misrepresenting how many people would use the system due to the extra carrot involved.

People said that since we already have a huge, throbbing audience that this would not reveal how a small, unknown artist might succeed with a micropayments-based business. Other people noted that the many incoming links we had during the experiment (including links from Penny Arcade, the single biggest webcomic in existence, Scott McCloud, the single biggest proponent of micropayments, and Websnark, the, uh... a blog) would artificially increase our traffic and therefore our revenue. All these people are (theoretically) correct -- this experiment is way skewed in favor of BitPass.

But personally, I don't see this as a huge problem. I wanted this to be skewed in favor of Bitpass, because if it failed, I wanted it to fail definitively. I wanted to be certain that we had done everything possible to make sure it succeeded, because I love the idea of micropayments.

You may be scratching your heads right about now. "Isn't this the same guy that railed against micropayments on several occasions over the last two or three years?" you are probably asking yourselves. And yes, that was me. But I never spoke against them out of some deep-seated hatred of convenient payment systems. Micropayments did not kill my parents. Who wouldn't love a magical way to make money that required almost zero effort and kept the price low enough for thousands of people to take advantage of it? Who wouldn't love a turnkey solution that would allow any artist with a medium-sized following to make a living off of their art? No one, that's who.

So we skewed it. But not really. I would have done nothing differently in a real-world scenario -- I would have offered the extra carrot in an attempt to drive up additional sales. I would have publicized the hell out of it to eke as many sales out of it as possible. I would have asked friendly folks for links. I do the same for any revenue stream we introduce, and this one is no different.

That said, the results we got with our experiment will not apply to everyone out there. They only apply to us, because that's the only thing we tested. Your mileage may vary.

In the interest of full disclosure, there were also complaints from some folks who thought that we had skewed the experiment against BitPass. Scott McCloud had the following valid criticism:

> Gotta say: If I was an average Goats fan, having just read this > morning's post, I'd feel like I'd be letting you down if I *did* buy > 'em. ;-) ... > I just don't know how many burgers you'll sell in the "Meat is > Murder" pavilion if you know what I mean.

Like I said, it's valid. To a point. If anything I said or did had any real effect on your purchasing habits I'd have a lot more money than I do. You're all fully capable of making your own decisions about what you want to spend your $0.25 on and in what fashion you would like to do so and you all certainly know I would like you to spend it on us, regardless of the delivery system. Scott also has a financial interest in BitPass, owning a piece of the action, and he's going to try to poke holes where he can. I would do exactly the same if I were him.

I apologize for rambling on like this, but I thought it was important that I get all of this out of the way before I tell you that the BitPass experiment was a conclusive and absolute failure. It failed on such a tremendous level that I was surprised when we discovered new and previously unimagined ways in which it could have failed. It failed so badly that we actually lost money.

Let's begin with the numbers and work our way from there. From the sale of two separate 17-page comics, over the course of one week, we have made a total of $53.25 (before BitPass gets their cut, that is). Here's a table showing the number of sales of both comics in total over the last week:


#paymenttable td { border:1px solid #CCCCCC; padding:3px; text-align:center; background-color : #999999; } Mon, June 6 Tue, June 7 Wed, June 8 Thu, June 9 Fri, June 10 Sat, June 11 Sun, June 12 Mon, June 13 38 73 48 16 12 8 11 6

You can see why we didn't need to keep the experiment going on any longer to make our determination. The pattern of declining sales is fairly common for almost any offering, though -- most people buy within the first week or two of the introduction of a product, or not at all (with some exceptions -- it's a guideline, not a rule).

There's no way to tell how many people visit a website (anyone who tells you differently is lying), but based on the numbers in our logs it's a safe bet that several tens of thousands of people visited the site during an average day that week. Our biggest day was the 7th, with over 80,000 page views. Traffic declines sharply in the summer months for reasons of Nice Weather and No School, so this is certainly not indicative of traffic for us during the rest of the year, but it wasn't too bad for a weekday in June. We had an extra 6,136 people coming from ScottMcCloud.com, 9,184 from Penny-Arcade.com, and a few thousand more from random blogs linking to our experiment on top of our normal audience of freaks and weirdos.

And with all that, we had 213 total sales of BitPass content. I don't know about where you live, but $53 per week will not feed two families in NYC. It will not pay the rent. It will barely cover our Thursday bar tab. I suspect most of you consider a living wage to be much higher than that.

Now normally, this wouldn't be much of a problem. We have other things for sale. We make dozens of merch sales every day; enough so that Phillip and I can eke out our meager existences with some careful supplementing. BitPass can surely be used as a part of a larger business plan, right? Perhaps Bitpass can be used as new revenue stream that will add on to our existing product lines.

Except that BitPass actually had a negative effect on our other lines of merchandise. We sold less stuff and made less money, even though we had more traffic coming in to the site. Hell, when PA linked to us last June we had our best month ever. Despite a larger regular audience and a link from that same site we are on track to sell approximately 3/10 as much this month over the year before.

We sold two paper copies of A Tale of Two Comics. Two. If you're currently hoping to continue to sell print versions of your comics alongside the electronic ones, that is not promising.

I have a theory that people buy things from webcomics because it is a way to more fully participate in the larger gestalt of the story and community. In our society, making a purchase is tantamount to having a cultural experience. This is why souvenirs exist. This is what the experience-based economy relies on. From what I have seen over the last 8 years of experimenting with these sorts of things, people do not generally worry about how much things cost as long as 1) it is under $20 (one 'Yuppie Food Stamp') and 2) it is reasonably priced compared to other similar objects that could be procured elsewhere.

The real hurdle is not the cost, but the difficulty in convincing you to initiate the transaction. This is one of the reasons why BitPass fails -- it does not usually lower the hurdle enough to overcome people's resistance to spending money. But when it does 'succeed', when people want to participate so badly that they are willing to fund an account with $3 to purchase $0.25 worth of product, it provides the user with a commercial experience at an extremely low price point. Instead of spending $18 on a t-shirt, they are spending a quarter. Not every BitPass user would have bought something from our store, but some of them would have, and it only would have taken 3 $18 t-shirts sold to surpass the earnings from one week of BitPass content.

Is this effect provable? Absolutely not. It could be a coincidence. Our products could be terrible. Any number of things may have contributed to this. But as a small business owner whose partner has a tiny baby to feed, I cannot take the risk that using BitPass may be detrimental to a business model that works, one that we have carefully honed over years and years, and continue to do so -- success only comes from hard work and innovation, not from any turnkey solution. If anyone tells you differently, use a healthy dose of skepticism. If their solution is such a good idea, why are they not using it to make a living? Is anyone using BitPass to make a living, or even supplement one? Who stands to gain from all this?

Anyway, needless to say, it's been a tough month for us. We're trying to get some new merch -- books and action figures -- into the store for you. We could use some help raising the money for production costs (as well as for food and small things like that).

So we're throwing an old-fashioned sale. It may not be as innovative as a really big canvas, but some things are timeless. First off, we're offering a Mystery Bundle -- three Goats t-shirts chosen randomly by us in the size of your choice, at the profit-defying price of $25 for either regular shirts or babydolls. Please buy them. Buy them like crazy, and tell your friends to do the same. If there's a particular design that you absolutely will not wear, drop us a note in the Message field when you check out and we'll do our best to comply.

Secondly, I've slashed prices on our prints by $10 for the 8.5x11" versions and $20 for the 13x19" versions. And the price of original art has been slashed by a whopping $80 (this would be a great time to snatch up that original you've been biting your nails over, before someone else gets it). To order original art and prints from any Goats strip, just click the handy links underneath the strip in question in our archive. This sale will probably only be on for the next few days. It won't last long, and neither would we, at this rate, so take advantage of us while you can.

If neither of these options intrigues you, I invite you to take a gander through our store. If there's something there that you like, please buy it, for you or for a friend. It's the single best way you can support our webcomic.

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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 1)
posted Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 02:33 PM (#27949)
Just thought i'd say that I support you guys 100%. Been readin for a couple of years, put 50 cents in for this bitpass thing and that speech, although powerful in much the same way Hitler was, has encouraged me to buy a shirt.

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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 02:34 PM (#27950)
I don't know if Scott McCloud & BitPass are willing (or able) to provide the information, but I'd be very interested to know the total amount of money that's been transacted by the service since inception.

My guess is, as much as you guys lost out in the past week, BitPass must have a burn rate that looks like, well, a dot-com. They made a small percent of $50 off of you in a week, and with that couple of bucks they have to keep the robots [goats.com] in oil and electricity.
 
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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 0)
posted Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 02:35 PM (#27951)
I'll be honest with you about why I didn't buy. I think that $0.25 is a great price for what you were offering. I would have jumped at that very eagerly. But the price wasn't $0.25. The price was $3, which is the minimum account you can set up with BitPass. Since I'm not aware of anyone else I'd want to buy from using BitPass, I'm not going to just give $2.75 to them. If you had charged $3 for the comic, I very probably would have done it, since all the money (less BitPass's percentage, of course) would have gone to a webcomic I like, but I'm not going to give a company $2.75 so I can give you a quarter.
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Re: the $2.75 (Score: 0)
posted Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 02:58 PM (#27952)
In Response to katre (#27951):

Pretty much. It's sort of a chicken and egg thing. If everybody was using it, then maybe we'd all use it.
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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 1)
posted Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 03:11 PM (#27953)
I went ahead and signed up for BitPass and got both comics. I enjoyed both and thought the convenience and price were great. However, I now have $2.50 sitting in limbo. Jon likely, and understandably, wont be releasing any further BitPass content so now I have money to burn on artists I know little to nothing about. I'm fairly sure I'll find something enjoyable, and equally sure I'll find something terrible. Either way bitpass wont be seeing any more money from me. There are just too many good free comics out there that I can give money to in what seems like a more meaningful way.
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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 1)
posted Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 03:44 PM (#27954)
Would it be possible for an assorted sticker pack? I know what I would do with one or two of several of the stickers, but not five of one design.
Alternativly, would it be possible to charge $1.50 per sticker?
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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 1)
posted Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 04:19 PM (#27955)
I'm also in the "BitPass seemed like too much of a hassle" crowd -- if it had really just been "pay a quarter, get a comic book", that'd have been fine, but signing up for yet another online payment system and dealing with all that crap just wasn't worth it.
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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 1)
posted Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 04:24 PM (#27956)
Would it not just have been possible to use paypal to pay for content? I know it charges for use, but it'd hardly be anything at 25 cents.
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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 04:41 PM (#27957)
In Response to swissrebel (#27956):

Here are PayPal's rates. [paypal.com]

You'll note that they charge a percentage plus a base of 30 cents per transaction. This obviously makes it difficult to charge a quarter for something.

BitPass can be funded using PayPal, which is actually rather convenient. I see BitPass mainly as a mechanism for getting around that minimum payment issue, except that it doesn't do that very effectively for anyone not ready to commit $3.

I remember that PayPal became a real contender when it started giving out $5 with a new account to get people to start using it. This is sort of the reverse of that.
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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 1)
posted Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 07:35 PM (#27960)
I'm happy to support goats.com -- I've been a super premmie since 2002, and have no plans to stop. Half my wardrobe has the goats logo on it.

And I didn't buy a minicomic.

Why not? Because I don't want to provide my personal details to Yet Another online company. It's a pain, and each time I do it I increase the risk of that information being stolen or leaked. I don't want another password to forget, and I certainly don't want any site that has financial details to be using a generic, shared or easy password.

So at this point, I'm weighing up the pain in the arse that is signing up to J. Random Website vs having a, presumably, PDF and supporting goats to the tune of under 25c. Not going to happen.

The day when I can swipe my credit card through a reader on my desk and hit "Authorize" to make a payment is the day this stuff has a low enough barrier to use.
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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 1)
posted Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 08:44 PM (#27963)
Let us not forget the lesson learned from comunism, it might look good on paper, but it doesn't work in real life.
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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 08:44 PM (#27964)
In Response to dhask (#27960):

I've been a super premmie since 2002

Prove it.

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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 08:45 PM (#27965)
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Let us not forget the lesson learned from comunism, it might look good on paper, but it doesn't work in real life.

I am confused.

Bad spelling does not look good on paper.

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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 1)
posted Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 08:56 PM (#27967)
I think another issue might be the number of non-US readers you guys have... I know that if I have to go through the hassle of paying for something in US dollars, and being charged a foreign currency conversion fee by my card, I want it to be an amount that makes it worth while - US$.25 (or even US$3) isn't worth it. I'd much rather buy something substantial, like shirts.

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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 2)
posted Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 12:40 AM (#27970)
In Response to zamphir (#27964):

Prove it.

So we're gonna be like that now, huh?


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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 2)
posted Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 12:41 AM (#27972)
In Response to zamphir (#27965):

Or the intarweb for that matter...


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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 2, Compelling)
posted Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 01:11 AM (#27978)
Jon: You should note the posts here in this forum.

You now have between 100 and 200 fans who have $2.50-$2.75 burning a hole in their micropayment account. Have you thought about offering to take this in exchange for credit on other store items or towards a year of premium membership? It'd probably be a little bit of work to setup bitpass to take that money at a larger increment and make your system accept payment from two sources on a single item though. But is the $275-$500 plus the excess needed to make up the difference in premium cost worth a little bit of time and effort?

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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 0)
posted Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 03:55 AM (#27982)
In Response to swissrebel (#27949):

People who like comics (and other indie media) and are curious where they can spend their other $2.50 should check out the comics section of BitPass [bitpass.com], Fanboy Radio [fanboyradio.com], and Mperia [mperia.com], an independent music site powered by BitPass.

It's also possible to setup offers using BitPass that are donations with a minimum price but no maximum. The donor then gets premium content in return for their donation. People can buy for the minimum at first and donate more if they like the comic.

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Jon... (Score: 1)
posted Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 04:19 AM (#27985)
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I've been a member that doesn't really post on this forum for years... I agreed with you on the micropayment thing (like I did at its inception... it has years before it comes into its own). I have been a Premium member since you started it, an will probably continue to be, as long as your content is still good. Stay the course, you evil bastard. It will come. P.S... I would be buying more from you, if I had more money. -Incarnadine
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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 2, Compelling)
posted Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 04:27 AM (#27987)
I didn't buy the comic. I bought two t-shirts instead.

I'd rather have paid $3 for the comic, knowing the money goes to the people making the comic, rather than $.25 to BitPass, knowing only a tiny fraction of that goes to the people making the comic.

Would the site have seen an increase in the number of t-shirt sales had the comic been offered for $nothingorsomereduced.price with any purchase of $arbitrarydollaramount.cents or more in merchandise? I may have been tempted to buy more shirts.

There are better ways to market a comic strip. Telling people they need to go through a clunky and non-comic strip source to get to the comic strip (and all for a lousy quarter) is kind of annoying, much as I'd have liked the comic, I'm sure.

To sum up:
Comics=good
Paying for comics=alright
Paying $3 for a comic, hardly any of which goes back to the artist/writer=crappy
T-shirts=Awesome
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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 1)
posted Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 07:59 AM (#27989)
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That's super, voice of poop. Please tell me where I can spend my money.

I dumped $3 into BitPass sometime last year to read McCloud's "The Right Number". Totally not worth it. Oh, the comic was OK, but what makes you think I'm in such hurry to spend the rest of my money, especially since it's already gone? All this recent talk has just pissed me off more that I'll never get the rest of that $2.50 back (because I didn't really care until people started harping about it).

Your comment really cheesed me off, because now that I've put $3 in your system to buy 25 cents worth of product, NOW I must feel compelled to spend the rest, thereby making it look like I like your system 12 times better than the actual indifference I currently feel or the surly annoyance I would feel if I decided to hunt for something decent to spend the rest of my money already spent.

I know you're just plugging other BitPass sites, but I guess I'm not your target market.

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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 1)
posted Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 09:16 AM (#27995)
John,

One additional thing to note that may have skewed the data against the bitpass system succeeding (although I'm not convinced it could succeed under any circumstance) is that the two mini-comics offered were both already available to super-premium members.

I'm guessing there are probably less than 200 of us (can't imagine mailing more SPEY packs than that), so this can't really have made a difference between NY rent and $53.25, but its worth noting.

Some super-premies probably were willing to deal with the bitpass system just to be part of the experiment, but I personally didn't want to deal with the hassle of setting up a bitpass account for the sole purpose of seeing content I've already seen. (Although the content was possibly reformatted for "infinite-canvas", but I've never been impressed by that format previously)

Speaking for me personally, I'm much more likely to spend more money for new and/or unique content (buying 2 out of the 3 goats art auctions that I've seen, for example), especially if the boundaries for access are low (I already had an ebay account, I still have money burning a hole in my paypal account, etc)

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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 1)
posted Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 09:19 AM (#27996)
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And I CANNOT believe I mispelled your name!

If you'll forgive me (and maybe edit it before zamphir sees it), I'll send you a donation!

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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 2)
posted Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 09:29 AM (#27997)
In Response to mjforbes666 (#27995):

Super Premium members account for something like .1% of the general readership of the site. I didn't consider it much of a factor.

For what it's worth, the bulk of merch purchased from the site is from non-premium readers.
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Re: Micropayments = Microincome (Score: 1)
posted Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 09:36 AM (#27999)
I'll be honest with you, I thought about it for all of about 10 seconds, then I read alot of the self righteous bs that McCloud comes out with and I thought no I don't think I will support this little endeavour. I'm sure he's a great guy and blah blah blah but frankly I can't understand how such a defunkt model for business gets him such acclaim from a certain section of the webcomic world. Frankly I agree with one of my good friends back here in Oz when he says " I have no idea why everyone is soo quick to suck on Scott McCloud's cock". Excuse my language please. I know I'm coming into this argument late but I thought I'd add my two cents worth (with exchange rates that would means it's roughly a penny and a half in your country). Thanks
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