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I only wish it had been IKEA.... (8 comments)

I only wish it had been IKEA....

Monday, December 20, 2004 - 02:43 PM

As you may have noticed, our servers have been really crappy for a while now. This has made me very unhappy, not just because I think you're all really swell folks, but because it has also meant that the first thing I do in the morning after pouring a cup of coffee is mutter to Lauren about crappy ISPs, and then wander over to my machine in the corner to issue the morning reboot request.

This has been a royal pain in my ass.

This chapter of the saga began at the end of April, when I finally moved the Goats machines out of my living room. That made me happy. Less happy was that the ISP we moved to, fucking interland, gave us crappy hardware. Less happy still, is that they refused to acknowledge this. There was a huge amount of comedy involved, but most of it involved charging me to test hardware, and then letting me know afterwards that although they didn't find any problems, the specific hardware I had told them I suspected was faulty wasn't included in the tests. (I know it was a hardware issue, because we paid for a second web server, configured it exactly like the first web server, and one crashed every day while the other stayed solid. We've had the first one generally out of service for a long time now, but for the brief periods when I had to put it into service, it dies within a day while the second (no hardware issue) server stays up. You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to make some inferences from this kind of behavior.)

In a way, I feel that they're a lot like Dell. As long as your computer isn't having major problems, they're very friendly and helpful. But once it moves a little past what they have personal knowledge of, the support strategy moves to the "if I keep them on hold long enough, maybe they'll go away" strategy. You know you're in trouble when the sales person stops returning your calls.

Long story slightly shorter, we moved. Long story slightly shorter, we're still moving. I'm away next week, so I wanted the web server to be stable for you, but don't have time to relocate/reconfigure the 5-10 separate applications that comprise a mail server.

Our new ISP is VOXROX. So far, my interactions with their tech people have been uniformly positive. Their internal LAN set-up is superior and more secure, and their web interface for managing our machines is definitely significantly better as well. (The main thing is that we can directly reboot/power-cycle the machines instead of waiting for a support person to get around to it, saving us 45 minutes of downtime per request if we have more issues.)

I hate doing sysadmin work. They're running Debian instead of RedHat, so I've had to learn new stuff again, which is always difficult for my aging, abused neurons. I also always move/set-up servers under the assumption that it will be the last time I ever need to do it from scratch, which means I never keep notes, and I inevitably miss something. There will be issues. Bear with us. Once we're done, and I can work for 6-8 hours without being interrupted by having to reboot the server, hopefully some of the other projects we have in line will get done faster.

Lonely Goatherd
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Re: I only wish it had been IKEA.... (Score: 0)
posted Monday, December 20, 2004 - 11:16 PM (#23659)
uh, kinda offtopic: As both a former salesperson at Dell, and a longtime but fiscally-unable-to-help goats reader (oh, could the two be related?), I would just like to say that sales people are not supposed to and aren't meant to give you tech support there. Maybe that's not what was implied. And yes, I know they're the only ones that speak English. But every minute they're giving you the best help they can muster, they're losing the $ they need to feed themselves... especially the many underpaid temp workers that work there. So, if you do have a problem at Dell, or any major company, don't demand that the person you first get on the phone helps you right then. Get to the right department. Learn to use a phone tree. It makes everybody happier.

   
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Re: I only wish it had been IKEA.... (Score: 2, Pathetic)
posted Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 02:27 AM (#23660)
Sorry to hear the hardware issues suck so bad. I will ask Santa to send "Good Server Karma" to goats for Christmas, rather than new socks for me.


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Re: I only wish it had been IKEA.... (Score: 3, Informative)
posted Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 02:59 AM (#23661)
Ugh. If I had known you were with Interland, I would've urged you to move long ago.

When I first got my web site (after I moved it off AOL), I used a hosting company that I think was called ICOM. They were thoroughly "meh". Then they got bought by Interland, and naturally my site was moved there, and let's just say that there's a lot of what you said that's familiar to me.

Did they mention anything about multi-OC3 server farms, or something like that? Every time I considered moving, they would dangle that particular carrot-on-a-stick. Eventually a couple friends of mine from high school started their own web hosting company, and now I get to use their service for free.

I don't actually know anything about servers. I just know a bad company when I see one.
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Lonely Goatherd
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Re: I only wish it had been IKEA.... (Score: 0)
posted Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 07:25 AM (#23663)
As a unix sysadmin who has had the pain of dealing with Interland from UK (oh, the joy of sleepy tech support monkies who really didn't care), I totally sympathise.

Best of luck getting everything sorted with your new ISP.
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Re: I only wish it had been IKEA.... (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 08:12 AM (#23664)
In Response to Lonely Goatherd (#23659):

I never expected my salesperson to give me tech support, but I contacted him multiple times asking for a one week grace period of having two machines in order to be able to move off of the faulty systems, and all I received back were generic sales spams on a regular weekly basis.

My Dell issues are another story entirely, but suffice it to say that I should have returned "that damn laptop" as soon as it showed up and, right out of the box, wouldn't boot. I spent a cumulative, probably 10 or 12 hours on hold about that machine, and replaced every major component on it (excluding the screen) at least once, including four keyboards and three motherboards.

I know that that's an ...exceptional... experience, but the measure of tech support; whether Interland, Dell, or whoever; isn't how well they deal with no problems, but how well they deal with the major ones. These are two cases where I tested the systems and they failed miserably.


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Re: I only wish it had been IKEA.... (Score: 2, Redundant)
posted Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 08:56 AM (#23665)
In Response to phillip (#23664):

IKEA vs Dell, two go into the box, only one comes out...
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Lonely Goatherd
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Re: I only wish it had been IKEA.... (Score: 0)
posted Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 01:20 PM (#23712)
In Response to phillip (#23664):

Dell has such crappy tech support that I have now converted 30+ people to the dark side of Macintosh. And that number grows exponentially by year... just last year, I converted 8 previously die-hard PC users because they were so fed up with Dell.

Hehe... I love Dell. They make my job as a Mac Missionary so much easier.
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Lonely Goatherd
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Re: I only wish it had been IKEA.... (Score: 0)
posted Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 10:55 PM (#23714)
In Response to Lonely Goatherd (#23712):

much the same way that Micro$ith's bs drives people into the waiting arms of linux. Muwahahah!
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