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Searchable Archive
posted Monday, September 16, 2002 - 07:59 PM (#1799)
The current status of the searchable archive.

All strips up to the beginning of this year have been entered and moderated. Strips are entered in the format of:

How many panels

then, for each panel:

Location(s) (I can't recall if we allowed 2 locations for split scenes or if we just made a split location entry)

Plot important props (much arguing here, I believe the current status is that ken and I have the final "agree to disagree" on it, he tries to include everything ("what if someone wants to see how many times jon had a sneaky cigarette?") and I include nothing, Nothing I tells ya!). Props included costumes.

Characters in the scene and any speech they uttered. A special character called correction for times when jon's grammar is "better" than ours repeats phrases in those cases.

A slight issue arose when we discovered a couple of things:

One, this project was done separate from the goats site and so has some data which is extra and so I'll need to do some munging and cleaning.

Two, As I wrote the stuff it was written in asp (and boy was it ugly - the focus was data entry not a user experience hehehe) with an MS SQL backend (spell corporate whore). I tried not to be too transact idiomatic but there are some things which won't work from my old stuff on the goats boxes (mySQL has no saved queries / views). The raw data itself is fine though.

Three, phillip has a beautiful and wonderful naming convention which I buggered up completely at the time. Since then I have adopted a variation of his and have decided I'd like to clean that up a little first before moving on much (I'm actually working on that in the background now)

Lastly, I suck at perl (although I'm getting better) and have got a new job this year (which has much less uhh "free learning time") so it has pretty much languished. The data entry site even went down as it was on my previous employers machines.

So. If someone good at perl (mod_perl, mason and mySQL if I recall correct) and willing to submit to phillip's naming conventions, my particular db design and luvrhino's pedantry is willing to jump on as the front end designer it would probably push us to move forward, otherwise I'll do it eventually.

Special thanks for the data entry have to go out to a bunch of people that gave up their lives for significant portions of last year to do the data entry: ken, chuck, dha, drew, davidb, punkalicia, mjfgates and stu. These people are primarily from the havoc known as goats fans and shows that roses do indeed grow from manure.

So for the resulting search engine / data entry.

Some thought will have to be given to the data entry. Who does it? who moderates it? the moderation took me a while to get to a point where I felt I was being consistent and I think the others that had a go felt the same way.

The searches can be quite complex if desired. (This could be resource costly and phillip may want to join in on that aspect if no other) Certainly I can help anyone doing the front end with sql queries etc although it is not a particularly complex db.

Lastly what it looks like is probably of some importance to people. I guess anything there would have to be run past jon(?).

So feel free to jump in with offers of help, questions etc.
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Re: Searchable Archive (Score: 1)
posted Monday, September 16, 2002 - 11:20 PM (#1802)
Well, I'm not really a front-end programmer (formatting doesn't really interest me too much), but I can always churn out some Perl code if'n you need it, my schedule permitting.
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Re: Searchable Archive (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 08:00 AM (#1806)
As far as the front-end programming goes, we'd like to eventually move this onto the site proper, on our servers (assuming that was the end goal, which might be an improper assumption -- let me know what your preference is), so I can take care of that when the transfer happens. Most of the work involved with that will be just getting it inside our templating system, which won't be too difficult, and making the design consistent with our other apps.

The tough part will be getting that integrated with our database, which Phillip can speak to better than I can. You may have noticed that we've been a bit busy so far this summer, which is probably why we haven't moved forward on this yet.
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Re: Searchable Archive (Score: 3, Pathetic)
posted Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 07:28 PM (#1825)
In Response to jon (#1806):

Well I really did want to host the site myself. The glory of all those bandwidth bills and whiney little b'stards such as myself telling me it is broken was just such a lure.

Unfortunately I am a just a sarcastic sad little man however, so I'll leave that joy to yourselves hehehehe

Hopefully today I can grab my copy from my old servers and do some cleaning and forward that to phillip for his comments later (probably around your 4 or 5 am - so don't wait up ;)
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Re: Searchable Archive (Score: 1)
posted Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 08:49 AM (#1849)
Hey, all-

Some random thoughts on the subject, as I was thinking about it beforehand, anyway.

I'm perfectly willing to help with data entry, and I'd love to see the backend database format, so I could maybe (maybe! I'm not a programmer or web designer by trade) take a look at some front-end design.

As far as the ideas you've had for the archives and the ones I've had, they're pretty close, except that you've gone to even wackier lengths than I had in mind. My thought was to look at strips as a whole (ie, not bother with individual panels).

On the whole, my thoughts were along these lines: Arbitrary Strip number:Strip:Date(Day, Month, and Year individually separated so you could easily create a link to the strip's archive page):Author:Storyline:Book(if any):Page:Post-it note?:Characters:Appearances(analagous to props, although a moderate number). I also wanted to use the database as a basis for character counts, a la Sluggy Freelance's Character Stats [sluggy.net].

I'm all about complex queries, and if need be, I'm sure that I can find some hosting for a secondary database machine if off-loading this process from the main server(s) becomes necessary. However, if the searchable archive remains restricted to premium members (of course, I think it's a fantastic extra bonus for membership - well worth the cash by itself), you can reasonably expect the searches, after the initial frenzy, to be pretty sporadic.

For inspiration/mocking, here's a couple of other webcomic searches:

Sluggy Freelance [cjb.net]

It's Walky/Roomies [stacken.kth.se]

And...actually, those are really the only two I can think of.

Let me know how I could be of help, and if you need a site for hosting the data entry page, Simon, I can probably scrounge something up.


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