A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (25 comments)
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A Creationist "Natural History" Museum
posted Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 09:22 AM (#28854)
Article here [chicagotribune.com]

For examples of weapons-grade self-delusion, I particularly love the last two paragraphs:
Thus, at the Museum of Earth History, Genesis dictates gentle, vegetarian dinosaurs sharing Eden with Adam and Eve, whose vaguely Polynesian appearance represents all races, according to a guide. Another exhibit confirms that dinosaurs, like all land creatures created on Day 6, were on Noah's Ark. The exhibit maintains that the ark could accommodate them because it was huge--450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high--and only smaller, adolescent dinosaurs were put on board.

Such literal interpretation is essential, Sharp said, because "if we lose Genesis as a legitimate scientific and historical explanation for man, then we lose the validity of Christianity. Period."
... Genesis as a legitimate scientific and historical explanation for man ...
   


   


  Jesus tapdancing Christ.
 

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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 09:57 AM (#28855)
The exhibit maintains that the ark could accommodate them because it was huge--450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high

I wonder if these guys [godsark.org] know that...

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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 09:57 AM (#28856)
Also, Jesus was a clog dancer, not a tap dancer.

He told me, himself!

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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 10:28 AM (#28857)
In Response to zamphir (#28855):

I actually prefer this [livejournal.com] version. Satan's dinosaurs attack the Ark, and Noah fights them off with lasers.
 
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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 10:47 AM (#28858)
In Response to gtyrrell (#28857):

I actually prefer this [livejournal.com] version. Satan's dinosaurs attack the Ark, and Noah fights them off with lasers.

You obviously mistook the link I posted for fiction.

Those guys are really "rebuilding" "Noah's Ark".

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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 11:57 AM (#28860)
In Response to zamphir (#28858):

Guys rebuilding an ark, only it's not a boat, it's a building that contains a megachurch. That's no more real a real ark than the on with the devil dinosaur god lasers.
 
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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 12:25 PM (#28862)
In Response to gtyrrell (#28860):

Plus, lasers and Satan's dinosaurs are way cooler than some church boat.


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yes, yes they do (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 12:45 PM (#28863)
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Re: yes, yes they do (Score: 3, Funny)
posted Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 12:57 PM (#28864)
In Response to deerboy (#28863):

I particularly like: "From the start God has been faithful in providing all the needed manpower and materials to complete the foundational structure.... Cement forms were needed and a man visited the site who “happened” to be a cement form salesman."

Someone who sells construction materials shows up at a construction site. It's a Miracle!
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Re: yes, yes they do (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 01:57 PM (#28865)
In Response to deerboy (#28863):

The Ark is being constructed to the specifications of Noah’s original Ark--450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high.

Yeah. I said I wondered. I didn't say I'd checked.

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A Natural History of Creationism Museum (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 03:19 PM (#28867)
In Response to gtyrrell (#28857):

Satan's dinosaurs attack the Ark, and Noah fights them off with lasers.

So the dinosaurs belong to Satan, but the bones were left there by Noah? I just knew that Satan didn't leave the dinosaur bones.
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Re: A Natural History of Creationism Museum (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 04:29 PM (#28870)
In Response to deerboy (#28867):

It's a good thing that the god lasers weren't more powerful or the bones would have been vaporized, and then what would all those creationist paleontologists be digging up to prove that the earth is 10000 years old?

What, when I say it that way, it sounds stupid.
 
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Re: A Natural History of Creationism Museum (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 05:02 PM (#28871)
In Response to gtyrrell (#28870):

I tell you, nothing makes the case for creationism stronger than those Dinsoaurs. That, and the lasers, of course.
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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 0)
posted Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 06:44 AM (#28887)
The only possible way for the creationist opinion to be valid is if you take the original 7 days it took to create, well 6 really and redefined the meaning of a day.. ie one day being something like 100 billion years or so...
It hard to imagine that if a normal person building a model of a dino takes awhile, and to complete an entire species takes a little more than a day..that the Big Guy sat straight and created without a trip to the fridge or a piss break..
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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 2, Informative)
posted Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 04:29 PM (#28907)
Ah, the amusment of creationists. Had a chat with one once. He had an answer for everything - like, no-one has seen evolution (or at least the development of one species into another totally seperate species) for real so there's no proof, and lots of other stuff I can't remember. Quite impressive it all was really. Got a leaflet.

Then I asked him about carbon dating, and how he explained that away - fully expecting some rant about carbon decaying faster in the old days. He just said 'It's a load of crap the scientists make up to make you believe them.' And with that statement he lost all respectability.

Seems alot of creationists do claim that bit about fast decaying carbon though. Even though carbon decay rates fast enough to decay as much as they have in four thousand years (or whatever) would create a world-wide environment something like the Chenobyl blast site...

Never mind eh?
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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 2)
posted Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 04:36 PM (#28909)
In Response to Bobbu (#28907):

Carbon can't be used to date dinos.
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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 2)
posted Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 04:52 PM (#28910)
In Response to deerboy (#28909):

Carbon can't be used to date dinos.
I knew you were a furry [goats.com].

Struck out with diamonds, ehh?

na na na try a try a little tendernes...

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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 0, Flamebait)
posted Friday, September 09, 2005 - 09:25 AM (#29248)
In Response to deerboy (#28909):

"Carbon can't be used to date dinos."

Yes it can. You use the known deteriation-rate of carbon and see how much the carbon in the fossils has deteriorated. Tis how they do it. You can carbon-date anything that was alive, cos all known living creatures on Earth are Carbon-based.

Indeedy.
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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 2)
posted Friday, September 09, 2005 - 09:48 AM (#29249)
In Response to Bobbu (#29248):

It's never a good idea to argue chronological dating methods with a geologist.

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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 2)
posted Friday, September 09, 2005 - 10:17 AM (#29250)
In Response to Bobbu (#29248):

Other elements besides Carbon are used for dating periods that long ago; Carbon's half-life is way too short for 65 million years ago.

From this page: [gsu.edu]


Presuming the rate of production of carbon-14 to be constant, the activity of a sample can be directly compared to the equilibrium activity of living matter and the age calculated. Various tests of reliability have confirmed the value of carbon data, and many examples provide an interesting range of application.

Carbon-14 decays with a halflife of about 5730 years by the emission of an electron of energy 0.016 MeV. This changes the atomic number of the nucleus to 7, producing a nucleus of nitrogen-14. At equilibrium with the atmosphere, a gram of carbon shows an activity of about 15 decays per minute.

The low activity of the carbon-14 limits age determinations to the order of 50,000 years by counting techniques. That can be extended to perhaps 100,000 years by accelerator techniques for counting the carbon-14 concentration.

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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 1)
posted Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 10:09 AM (#29326)
In Response to zamphir (#29249):

My sincere apologies, I was mis-informed. Damn those mis-informing people...
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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 2)
posted Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 10:53 AM (#29329)
In Response to Bobbu (#29326):

My sincere apologies,

Don't apologize to me... I don't care.

I was just warning you that Deerboy is a geologist...

And so you might get your guts ripped out and handed to your mother on a silver platter, with a side of beans.
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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 3, Pathetic)
posted Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 12:24 PM (#29341)
In Response to zamphir (#29329):

Besides, who would want to date Carbon? I mean an API isn't very romantic, regardless of how lickable it is with Aqua.
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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 2)
posted Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 12:43 PM (#29343)
In Response to Dynedain (#29341):

I myself also prefer to date silicon-based life forms.
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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 3, Intriguing)
posted Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 01:00 PM (#29344)
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Chicks with breast implants?
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Re: A Creationist "Natural History" Museum (Score: 2)
posted Friday, September 16, 2005 - 03:52 PM (#29373)
In Response to Bobbu (#28907):

I've never seen god for real, either!
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