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zamphir
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Shall we play a game?
posted Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 05:45 PM (#26985)
Who's got Money [livejournal.com] to put down?

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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 3, Intriguing)
posted Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 12:42 AM (#26986)
The game is obviously written by a rationalist that wants to see the creationist lose.

The game written by the creationist would be along the lines of:

Randy and Cretin start with $100.
Cretin points out that god made the money, randy doesn't believe in god and so therefore has no money, Cretin takes the money and wins.

Shorter game, same inherent issues[1].

[1] If you got two mutually exclusive viewpoints to codify their viewpoints to a degree you could make a logic game to illustrate the differences you would obviously have a game which is not internally consistent.
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 3, Super-Genius)
posted Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 08:40 AM (#26987)
In Response to tor (#26986):

If you got two mutually exclusive viewpoints to codify their viewpoints to a degree you could make a logic game to illustrate the differences you would obviously have a game which is not internally consistent.

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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 2)
posted Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 10:07 PM (#26988)
Another problem with the game?

Cretin thinks that Evolution operates by chance alone, so he wins every time chance alone generates a winning number.

This is just not true. Cretin thinks that Evolution either doesn't operate at all, or only operates by God's say-so, not by chance.

A more accurate portrayal would be that Randy rolls the dice, and Cretin gets to place the dice so that they're facing whatever numbers he wants. And actually, Cretin is deciding Randy's numbers too - Randy just thinks he's randomly rolling the dice.
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 1, Insightful)
posted Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 10:50 PM (#26989)
In Response to porcupine8 (#26988):

A more accurate portrayal would be that Randy rolls the dice, and Cretin gets to place the dice so that they're facing whatever numbers he wants...

I agree with your original proposition, but disagree with your application of it (as quoted). Under his system of belief, Cretin does not have any direct control over the outcome; at best he can ask God for a particular result.

The preferable scenario seems to be that Cretin rolls the dice as usual, but believes the outcome is controlled by God (or deity of your choosing).

If Cretin wins the game then he is blessed; if not, then it was the will of God. Randy believes that the result is entirely governed by chance and the law of probabilities. Regardless of who wins neither person will be convinced that they are wrong.

Randy and Cretin can then continue with their lives, taking comfort in the superiority of their convictions.

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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 2)
posted Monday, April 25, 2005 - 10:09 PM (#27003)
In Response to Random (#26989):

...despite the fact that the creationist just lost $100.
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 3, Intriguing)
posted Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 06:05 AM (#27010)
In Response to unFalln (#27003):

All creationists should lose $100. Go to jail, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 06:47 AM (#27013)
In Response to snipergirl (#27010):

Because your god is better than their god?
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 3, Intriguing)
posted Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 06:52 AM (#27014)
In Response to unFalln (#27003):

...despite the fact that the creationist just lost $100.
Hey, these are the guys that can ignore dinosaurs. A missing $100 bill is nothing in comparison
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 09:06 AM (#27017)
In Response to tor (#27013):

I like your old god better than your new god...
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 10:12 AM (#27018)
In Response to snipergirl (#27017):

Shout to the lord on the earth! Serve the lord with joy!
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 12:10 PM (#27023)
In Response to Euan (#27014):

God, a million years for us is like, only one year for you, right?

Thats right.

And, like, a million miles for us is like only one mile for you right?

Right again.

Cool, then can I borrow a buck?
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 3, Funny)
posted Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 04:34 PM (#27027)
In Response to Dynedain (#27023):

Tsk tsk tsk. You're quoting it all wrong. It goes like this:

MAN: Hey, God. Can I ask you a couple questions?

GOD: Yes, go ahead.

MAN: Okay, you're eternal and all. So a million years for me is like a minute for you, right?

GOD: Well, yes.

MAN: And you are everywhere at once. So a million miles to me is like an inch to you, right?

GOD: Basically, yes.

MAN: Awesome. Can I borrow a penny?

GOD: In a minute.
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 2)
posted Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 06:55 PM (#27031)
In Response to snipergirl (#27017):

You pray a lot to god to get where you are. You keep on praying and you're gonna go far.
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 3, Informative)
posted Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 09:58 PM (#27034)
In Response to unFalln (#27031):

My polyester god. So shiny.
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 1)
posted Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 12:19 AM (#27036)
[]C -> E
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 3, Super-Genius)
posted Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 10:40 AM (#27086)
In Response to snipergirl (#27010):

OMFG. It was just a fucking joke, ok?

I find it funny that people who label anyone who believes in evolution as evil deluded sinners, and tend to take the bible so literally that they regard half the minorities under the sun as evil sinners should suddenly take such offence at a statement clearly meant as a joke.
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 4, Pathetic)
posted Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 11:25 AM (#27089)
In Response to snipergirl (#27086):

Oh, this is great. Let's see just how low my karma can get, just by taunting someone who doesn't have the guts to post here with any decent arguments or explanations of why they are as thin-skinned and sensitive as they are! Hmm, perhaps that is the reason they are resorting to lurking...

Come on! Hit me again!
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 1, Flamebait)
posted Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 01:18 PM (#27092)
In Response to snipergirl (#27089):

" Let's see just how low my karma can get" Amen Sister! At zero and still falling! Hope to see how low I can go. Fire away!
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 2)
posted Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 01:24 PM (#27093)
In Response to sentdata (#27092):

You fucking rock. Happy 100th post!
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 1, Pathetic)
posted Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 06:12 PM (#27101)
Hey Now! I have gone into negative numbers! The sky's the limit! Keep on burning me up I love it!
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 2)
posted Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 07:30 PM (#27103)
In Response to sentdata (#27101):

Hey Now!
You're a rockstar, get the show on...

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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 0)
posted Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 07:39 PM (#27104)
In Response to zamphir (#27103):

What ever happened to the kinder gentler goats?
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 2)
posted Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 07:40 PM (#27105)
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What ever happened to the kinder gentler goats?

I...

I do not understand these words you have spoken.

Your lips appear to be moving, but the words do not make any sense...

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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 0)
posted Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 07:43 PM (#27106)
In Response to zamphir (#27105):

Now you don't but there was a time when you did. So now is the the time for all good men

Oh crap!
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Re: Shall we play a game? (Score: 2, Funny)
posted Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 07:46 PM (#27107)
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What ever happened to the kinder gentler goats?

Like the compassionate conservative, thats pre 9-11.
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